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Chaos Pancake  
#21 Posted : Thursday, February 07, 2013 8:05:39 PM(UTC)
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My Partial Prediction:

Semi-Limited:

The Gates of Dark World
Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter
Evolzar Laggia
Valhalla, Hall of the Fallen
Master Hyperion



Your other hits are ok but these are not going to happen in a million years.

Dark worlds are balanced but have 1 derpy card: Card destruction. I want that banned but probably not going to happen. The rest does not need and will not be hit.

Ryko. Erm what? Flip effects are so out these days to many things blow them up before they flip. Not going to happen.

Laggia. This is silly. Fire Fist, Evilswarm and loads of other decks have proven that rescue rabbit is the problem. Look at the OCG tornaments reports. Rabbit decks topping all over the place but they are not laggia rabbit decks. Laggia rabbit is outnumber by other rabbit decks 3 to 1.

Valhalla is a -1 summon and isn't very good. Not terrible but not even close to meta or hit level. Its only good play is a turn 1 archlord kristya lock out.

Master hyperion. Yes I this could get hit but only of Earth went to 3. Agents came back to the meta for a little while but then died out again. They will not get hit.

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Ryko is pretty much the Chaos Engine for every deck, keeping it at 3 is pointles

if not Gates, then Grapha.. But Grapha is a boss monster and wont be hit

Semi-Limiting Laggia is the closest its gonna get, cuz if Dino Rabbits go, then Evols will see a TON more play... Too much..

Valhalla is very good in many situations, you're focusing too hard on what it does bring out rather than what it could

Agents are still very much in the Meta, You aren't looking hard enough



Behold the future meta http://shriek.twoday.net/

Its all Fire Fist Stun, Fire Fist Spam, Rabbit Fire Fist, Rabbit Evilswarm. There is the occasional old favourite like HERO or Agents, Gadgets ect but this is rare.

There is no dark world, There is no Valhalla (Like at all ever), There is no Evol or Laggia rabbit. Rescue rabbit will be hit because its an old card (No more money for konami in old cards) and its dominating the OCG (Until recently becuase Fire Fist > Evilswarm).

I will bet you any amount of actual real (I mean it real money) that Ryko and Valhalla won't be hit. I'd give odds of 100 to 1, because those card won't be hit. The in order of power mill cards are: Charge of the light brigade, Solar Recharge, Lyla and then ryko. On top of that mill decks are doing NOTHING at the moment.

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#22 Posted : Sunday, February 10, 2013 4:20:40 PM(UTC)
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My Banlist:

This is my banlist and what I think is fair and what I'd like to see legit or getting on the banlist.

Banned:

Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning - Konami should have banned this last format and let Chaos Sorcerer and three. Chaos decks would have still make use of its less broken counterpart and Chaos Sorcerer wouldn't have been thrown in degenerate decks that run 2 veilers/tkro and tgu engine.

Monster Reborn - Call Of The Haunted is at 3, and almost every archtype in the game has their own card that can special summon from the grave. Maybe this getting banned will pave the way for Premature Burial getting back at 1 but I doubt it.

Gateway of the Six Samurai - Auto-win button for six spams.

Ultimate Offering - Another auto-win button card.

Leviair the Sea Dragon - I think the time has come for the first XYZ monster to hit the banlist. No more unhealthy plusses.

Card Destruction - Degenerate card for degenerate decks. No love for da noobs.

Limited:

Goyo Guardian - If Number 11: Big Eye is legit, then there is no reason not to Return Goyo to 1. Goyo needs to battle and with CED and Dimensional Prison around it won't take control of the monster as often as Big Eye. Also it can't make use of it until main phase 2.

Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier - With all the broken XYZ monsters coming out each day, Konami has no excuse to keep this card banned any more. I mean if Shock Master and Ophion are legit then why keep this banned!?

Tour Guide From the Underworld - Spamming rank 3 monster at no cost, or using this to get Sangan on field and search for no cost. Also this will slow down Rabbit builds. I wouldn't wanna see Rescue Rabbit getting hit, cos all the vanilla monsters will become useless once again. If Verz or Macro Rabbit are broken hit them, but leave the card at 2, cos it will also affect other decks that are by no means broken.

Atlantean Dragoons - This will slow down merlanteans and will make merlantean players look at other alternatives, so Konami will sell more of the new Mermail cards.

Wind-Up Magician - Herp Derp Shock Master gg, not any more. Wind-ups will still be playable but not broken.

Semi-Limited:

Rekindling - Tons of 200 DEF fire cards get out each day .. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets limited or banned come September 2013.

Black Whirlwind - Kalut got back to 2 last format, but it didn't make much of a difference. Blackwings need more of this card, and if you compare it to other archetypal continuous spell cards like Gateway of the Six, Madolche Ticket, Wind-Up Factory you'll realize that this card shouldn't be limited anymore.

Wind-Up Factory - I think this should be tried at 2 first, with Magician limited. It generates advantage at no cost, but it wouldn't be as good with Magician at 1.

Fire Formation - Tenki - We all know the advantages this card generates and the plays it opens. It's easily searchable and can be dumped to get rid of monster or backrow.

Legendary Six Samurai - Shi En - Only if Gateway gets banned.

Legendary Six Samurai Kizan - Free special summon and Shi En protection.

Gladiator Beast Bestiari - Gladiator Beasts are no longer the force they were and the meta has changed drastically and is changing every day.

Lonefire Blossom - The plants really deserve more. At two it won't have much impact as it had in the past cos this is not 2010. The meta is grave-hating and cards like Macro Cosmos are run in the main deck.

Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind - This card was very good in the past cos it could take down many synchros by it's halfing atk eff. This card is not as good today, so it should be brought back to 2.

Unlimited:

Glow-Up Bulb - If Tour Guide is legit, then there is no reason for this card not to be.

Spore - 1,2, 3 or 10 it makes no difference, as nobody runs more than 1 copy in deck.

Chaos Sorcerer - It should have never got limited. More balanced version of BLS, no extra atk, doesn't banish facedown.

Summoner Monk - A definition for a balanced card. Discard a spell, special summon a lv4 monster.

Debris Dragon - We are no longer in 2010. It got back to two last format, it made almost no impact, so it's time to try it at 3.

My Prediction:

This is what I think Konami will release/ban/limit/semi-limit

Banned:

Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning

Monster Reborn

Ultimate Offering

I don't think Konami will ban more than 3 cards in 1 format.

Limited:

Atlantean Dragoons

Mermail Abyssmegalo

Wind-Up Magician

Tour Guide From the Underworld

Goyo Guardian

Semi-Limited:

Gladiator Beast Bestiari

Lonefire Blossom

Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind

Rekindling

Chaos Sorcerer

Unlimited:

Spore

Debris Dragon

Summoner Monk


I made this banlist 2 weeks ago and after LoTG release I have to promote to cards to the banlist as banned. One of them is Judgment Spellbook and the other one Return From the DD. Judgment is obvious but many will question why rftdd. Well I've been playing with the Suppressor Dragons now Incarnate since I first read about them Shriek and this is their own win button, It has helped me won many games, even though it seemed I can't return from it. No deck should have a auto-win button and this one is no exception. I don't expect it to be hit this March, but most probably in September.
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#23 Posted : Monday, February 11, 2013 3:00:14 AM(UTC)
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OK. I dunno if they will do this in the next list, or maybe in the subsequent list, but... after some testing, I think Divine Wind of Mist Valley should be forbidden. Let me explain my reasonment.

It's the typical case of the car. There's an engine. Harpie Dancer is the ignition to the engine (this is the card that made DWoMV broken). Divine Wind of Mist Valley is the fuel that feeds the engine. Ancient Fairy Dragon keeps recharging the fuel. Blaze Fenix is the result of the performance of the car. Now, take out the fuel and the engine won't work. Why do I say so? Because even with only one, it's yet possible to FTK, although more difficult. Usually I'm one token short in the opponent's side of the field after I finish with the play, also, you need Z-ONE and MST / HS to recycle Divine Wind of Mist Valley once, and besides that, you need to setup an additional card to do enough damage to OTK, even if you're one token short. It can be a Summoner Monk to bring an additional Synchro later on, or a set spell or trap. That's how I can see it.

That's all for now.
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#24 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 3:26:18 AM(UTC)
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Goyo Guardian going to 1? Of all the fake/unconfirmed lists I've seen, the list with Goyo on it seems the most realistic. Not sure I like Shi En at 2, but with the upcoming Synchro support it makes sense. (Edit: That and the eventual Legendary Collection 5D's set)

I'm glad I got my Goyo before the price increase. I bought a Thousand-Eyes Restrict and Glow-Up Bulb as well just in case.

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#25 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 2:34:17 PM(UTC)
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Here are the changes according to shriek: http://www.ygopro.co/New...-Banlist-March-2013.aspx

Goyo doesn't seem to be going to 1.
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#26 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 2:57:08 PM(UTC)
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If this list is real then it is terrible. It's does not balance the game. It's purpose is to boost profits. They didn't even try to hide it. It's shamelessly obvious. It murders old problem decks, does nothing to current problem decks and boosts future problem decks. Wind-ups were murdered because they are from old sets, no money for konami thier. There is no hits to meralantean, evilswarm and an actual boost to a future problem deck prophecy by hittings its best counter: Thunder king. If wind-ups were murdered to balance the game then great! Sadly this is not the case. Wind-ups were clearly murdered to force competive players into buying newer decks to boost sales of newer packs. These new decks are no more balance. The old difference is they are new so there is money there.

This list is so terrible I wish we could somehow band together to make a custom list we could all argee on. That probably can't happen though.
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#27 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 4:22:39 PM(UTC)
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It's another Marketing format, just like March 2012.

I do like Wind-Derps getting killed. That and Lumina to 3, although I'm not sure what to take out for it, unless I go for a 41 card deck.

And 6 months of me insta-RQ'ing when Divine Judgment is played. Not looking forward to that at all.



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#28 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 4:33:46 PM(UTC)
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The lack of source material in this claim makes me dismiss it. It only really butchers the second tier and makes the special summon frenzy rather silly limiting Warning.
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#29 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 5:23:49 PM(UTC)
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New plan: no yugioh till september. Anyone with me?
(Im probably just kidding, this game is just too fun)
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#30 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 5:59:36 PM(UTC)
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New plan: no yugioh till september. Anyone with me?
(Im probably just kidding, this game is just too fun)



yugioh its really funny but some people with the goal of "only winning" with over powered decks make the game bad :/
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#31 Posted : Friday, February 15, 2013 8:13:09 PM(UTC)
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Wind-up can be counted as Xyz version of Blackwings,but weakness is if Xyz fail waiting for pwn.
Blackwing still can fight even cant synchro(if sirocco still alive)

and definetely WU will get hit because can otk all days even without carrier at 3.

sangan = so many powerful low level monster can search=ban(chances 45%)
Wu carrier= win button?= ban (60%)

Wu magician= more powerful version of shura of blue flame and can bring any WU monster=limited(75%)
1 day=maybe megadraw then fill in the blank OTK?=limited(i am still think it is semi card)
warning=ok card but many plp hate this=limited(i dont wanna think how creepy next half year of ygo world)

Lastly, if Kalut at 3 .As a BF user ,i m happy but i still hope gale at 2 and whirlwind at 2 because ophion at 3
running around.

P.S there is so many rumors and photoshop fake list floating around the net . Dont belive it!
but can be a reference !

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#32 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 3:28:58 PM(UTC)
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New plan: no yugioh till september. Anyone with me?
(Im probably just kidding, this game is just too fun)


yup, the next half year of ygo world are unhealthy. So,i may quit for half year(not so often maybe)
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P.S :angry Ughuu no mermail get hit:thdn waste all the hard work of mermail haters that plays
mermail so often this half years:angry :angry
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#33 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 4:10:33 PM(UTC)
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The ocg list is already out: http://shriek.twoday.net/

Sangan will be missed, windups ,.. not so much
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#34 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 5:49:00 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Shark Go to Quoted Post
The ocg list is already out: http://shriek.twoday.net/

Sangan will be missed, windups ,.. not so much


and never be unban, because sangan these days is too broken i think, almost all deck use sangan because sangan can search the important card of the deck (many good monster card these days are lower atker), and because of tour guide if i not wrong. :laugh

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#35 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 5:58:09 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Shark Go to Quoted Post
The ocg list is already out: http://shriek.twoday.net/

Sangan will be missed, windups ,.. not so much


and never be unban, because sangan these days is too broken i think, almost all deck use sangan because sangan can search the important card of the deck (many good monster card these days are lower atker), and because of tour guide if i not wrong. :laugh


sangan was somewhat harmless, til tour guide came and ruined the party, lol
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#36 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 6:03:55 PM(UTC)
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The ocg list is already out: http://shriek.twoday.net/

Sangan will be missed, windups ,.. not so much


and never be unban, because sangan these days is too broken i think, almost all deck use sangan because sangan can search the important card of the deck (many good monster card these days are lower atker), and because of tour guide if i not wrong. :laugh


At old days ,sangan is stall cards searcher
Nowadays,sangan is killer card searcher

So, no need for me to post any example anymore.:P
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#37 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 6:07:41 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Shark Go to Quoted Post


sangan was somewhat harmless, til tour guide came and ruined the party, lol


Originally Posted by: yutsuki_ame Go to Quoted Post


At old days ,sangan is stall cards searcher
Nowadays,sangan is killer card searcher

So, no need for me to post any example anymore.:P


agree
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#38 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 4:59:40 PM(UTC)
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the junk synchron and his team need to be hit too, today they where spaming with them (2-3 in one turn -.-"),
"reinforcement of the army":call a warrior monster level 4 or lower (1)
-> call junk synchron or explorer
"tuning": add 1 synchron tuner monster to your hand. then send the top card of your deck to the graveyard (3)
->call junk explorer or quickdraw
these 3 give big problems, one can special summon a level 2 or lower from graveyard and the other can be special summoned.
the synchrons summon powerfull monsters near 0 cost (formula, berserker, warrior, n. warrior and destroyer)
one of the firsts cards in appear is the t.g hyper librarian that mean card recharge for quasar/archfiend or the synchron team.
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#39 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 5:25:02 PM(UTC)
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the junk synchron and his team need to be hit too, today they where spaming with them (2-3 in one turn -.-"),
"reinforcement of the army":call a warrior monster level 4 or lower (1)
-> call junk synchron or explorer
"tuning": add 1 synchron tuner monster to your hand. then send the top card of your deck to the graveyard (3)
->call junk explorer or quickdraw
these 3 give big problems, one can special summon a level 2 or lower from graveyard and the other can be special summoned.
the synchrons summon powerfull monsters near 0 cost (formula, berserker, warrior, n. warrior and destroyer)
one of the firsts cards in appear is the t.g hyper librarian that mean card recharge for quasar/archfiend or the synchron team.


I totally agree. the problem is these cards are too searchable and with a fairly good hand can bring a broken/powerful monster each turn. Junk synchron and quick draws should be semis or limited.
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#40 Posted : Wednesday, February 27, 2013 8:39:43 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rob26 Go to Quoted Post
the junk synchron and his team need to be hit too, today they where spaming with them (2-3 in one turn -.-"),
"reinforcement of the army":call a warrior monster level 4 or lower (1)
-> call junk synchron or explorer
"tuning": add 1 synchron tuner monster to your hand. then send the top card of your deck to the graveyard (3)
->call junk explorer or quickdraw
these 3 give big problems, one can special summon a level 2 or lower from graveyard and the other can be special summoned.
the synchrons summon powerfull monsters near 0 cost (formula, berserker, warrior, n. warrior and destroyer)
one of the firsts cards in appear is the t.g hyper librarian that mean card recharge for quasar/archfiend or the synchron team.


Did u mean a combo like this???:S
I use this deck to fight with super meta like prophecy,fire-fist,then i will feel want to cry
All combo of synchron is has been a rare sight because we lost 2 librarian,we suffer dead draw
we cannot make pluses(no extra mileage on duels).we can make plus if librarian at 2 or 3
and if librarian is not get hit,we all think that put quasar is a waste of space
As conclusion,the real problem of synchron deck is librarian not the tuners
hit librarian we all suffer consistency issue

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