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XTAL  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, August 07, 2013 2:08:28 PM(UTC)
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Well, please look at this picture below.
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According to the sentence in this picture, in OCG, the systems of FORBIDDEN & LIMITED LISTS, Tournaments and Deck-building rules will be changed in the last 10 days of this September. Now we OCG players are talking about nothing but this "Deck building rule-change". How do you TCG players think the Deck-building rules will be ? In the future these changes will be applied to TCG, too,I think:roll
Our expectations are as follows.

1.Banning combinations of certain cards
- There are combos that have made some cards Limited or even Banned. ex. "Mass Driver" + "Substitoad", "Butterfly Dagger - Elma" + "Gearfried the Iron Knight" + "Royal Magical Library" and so on. With this rule, some Limited, Semi-Limited or Banned cards would be back.
2.Setting limits to the amount of certain named cards in one deck
- For example,"you can put up to 2 "Dragon Ruler" monsters with different names in one deck": This rule would make it possible to annihilate only "Dragon Rulers" decks while other decks that use only 2 kinds of DR such as "Mermail" (use only "Tidal" and "Stream") could use them. And Most important of all, KONMAI could keep selling DRs with this rule :sneaky
3.Increasing the maximum of the Extra deck (or separating Fusion monsters and others)
- Since the rule of the Extra deck was set, many Fusion Monster users, especially "Elemental HERO" and "Gem-Knight" users have cried about the maximum of the Extra deck, and they have been forced to give up putting some cards in the Extra deck against their will :wall This rule will solve this trouble.

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#2 Posted : Wednesday, August 07, 2013 2:23:24 PM(UTC)
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Wtf?! this kind of limiting is just more atrocious, it is much geared up in salvaging their new created cards. :wall

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#3 Posted : Wednesday, August 07, 2013 2:24:34 PM(UTC)
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I heard there is tourneys with certain rules like that,right?Although i m not play at any official tournament:

1.U may put only one forbidden card in deck.
2.FTK decks is not allowed.(banning FTK combo)
3.Only 1 copy per card in deck(anything is count as limited)

Many of us think it is an experiment of Konmai doing before setup a new banlist ,now i know that is experiment for setting new rules.

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#4 Posted : Wednesday, August 07, 2013 2:25:28 PM(UTC)
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Something strange with those cards pics...
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, August 07, 2013 2:27:12 PM(UTC)
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Suggestion one is perhaps the most sensical, since it would make the forbidden list far more entertaining and versatile.

Unfortunately though, I'm not sure I fully understand suggestion 2. It sounds like restricting someone to 2 archetype cards, but that would cripple every single archetype made.

As for suggestion 3, I can get behind that. Although, I don't think the fifteen-card limit really restricted HERO decks that much, except if you mean for including Xyz cards. Personally I'd say the limit should be 20 rather than 15.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, August 07, 2013 2:43:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rob26 Go to Quoted Post
Something strange with those cards pics...
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You mean his signature right?

i think he photoshop all the cards picture before set in the signature.(way more suitable card picture to the name:roll )

But the only cards that i don't understand is Owner Seal.:S

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#7 Posted : Wednesday, August 07, 2013 2:46:00 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: yutsuki_ame Go to Quoted Post
...2.FTK decks is not allowed...


how does KONAMI determine which deck is FTK and not? and as far as i know FTK decks lack of consistency, it's non-sensical for KONAMI to restrict FTK decks...:wall
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, August 07, 2013 3:11:24 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: yutsuki_ame Go to Quoted Post
...2.FTK decks is not allowed...


how does KONAMI determine which deck is FTK and not? and as far as i know FTK decks lack of consistency, it's non-sensical for KONAMI to restrict FTK decks...:wall


For example: Harpie Divine 1 kill in japanese name.One of the most infamous FTK in JPN OCG .Someone declare it had
80% high FTK rate(with shuffling skills applied),even higher than Gishki FTK and Spell-draw Exodia.

Another reason for organizer for restricting FTK combos/deck is it is hard to counter by other ways except Effect Veiler.You can't rely on everytime u can 'Shining draw" the Effect Veiler when facing FTK decks right?
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, August 07, 2013 3:17:53 PM(UTC)
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As we've already pointed out, it is impossible for Konami (not to mention, would not work with their business plan) to ban an entire deck strategy. It's more likely they would ban having combinations of specific cards (i.e, Peten/Sagi + Crush Card / Harpie Dancer + Divine) in a deck as an advanced form of the ban list so that more cards could become generally limited or semi-limited, and onl be banned in the decks where it is clearly a problem.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, August 07, 2013 3:40:45 PM(UTC)
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I feel the no.3 have the highest possibilities:

Maybe 2 ways:-

1.Extra slot enlarge to 20 like Exceeder said,atleast 18 i think.
2.Extra slot is 30,but is 10 fusion,10 synchro and 10 exceed.

Or the no.4 new summon method is introduced(i think this should be in 5th anime)

No.5 Ritual is now using extra slot(that is not possible i guess)

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#11 Posted : Wednesday, August 07, 2013 3:49:56 PM(UTC)
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Rituals would be more playable if they were Extra Deck, but at the same time everything in Gishki would become absolutely worthless. Rituals should have been moved into the Extra Deck long ago, but the invention of Gishki has prevented that from happening without a complete overhaul of their card texts.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, August 07, 2013 4:03:54 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: yutsuki_ame Go to Quoted Post
I heard there is tourneys with certain rules like that,right?Although i m not play at any official tournament:

3.Only 1 copy per card in deck(e.g only 1 blue-eyes,cannot put 2 or 3)



As the data i have collected,even that 1 card style tourneys also been dominated by "Super-Meta"(Dragon Rulers and
Prophecy).How many people has been poisoned by those evil dragons ?
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, August 07, 2013 8:42:02 PM(UTC)
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There are many things that they can try:


  • Selection Lists of cards of which you must choose 1/2/3 of. For example, if both Mirror Force and Dark Hole are on a list that makes you chose 3, you could go 1 MF and 2 DH, or 2 MF and 1 DH, or only 3 MF or only 3 DH, but you couldn't use 3 of both. Lists like these would be populated with powerful cards, forcing players to chose what they want for their decks.
  • All cards are limited unless they are in the Semi-Limited List or in the Unlimited List (allows 3 copies).
  • All cards are limited unless they mention their own name in their effect. (f.e. Nimble Momonga).
  • Maximum number of Rares and Ultra-Rares allowed in a single deck. The rest must be Common.


I can't point a finger at any one thing that I think they will definitely use, but I assume whatever they will do is aimed at slowing down the game without killing any of the recently released archetypes. Because they need to release new cards to compete with them somehow.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, August 08, 2013 6:55:43 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: arlon_kyo Go to Quoted Post

No.5 Ritual is now using extra slot(that is not possible i guess)


Originally Posted by: TheExceeder Go to Quoted Post
Rituals would be more playable if they were Extra Deck.


Don't forget about this 2 things ^_^

Advanced Ritual Art
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Herald of Perfection
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