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2014-07-02T16:13:04Z
so i have expanded this deck, what do you think?
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justF0rfun
2014-07-02T22:35:18Z
Beelze needs a dark tuner and you don't play one. Serpent and Veiler are lights.
Do you really want to play one Trade-In with only one Target? I would drop it and add another Odd-Eyes Pendulum. You want to search for those Pendulum cards as fast as possible. Oh and maybe switch something else for another Factory? With Pendulum you will be emptying your hands real quick.
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2014-07-02T23:28:04Z
Originally Posted by: justF0rfun 

Beelze needs a dark tuner and you don't play one. Serpent and Veiler are lights.
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I've totally forgotten about that.
Originally Posted by: justF0rfun 


Do you really want to play one Trade-In with only one Target? I would drop it and add another Odd-Eyes Pendulum. You want to search for those Pendulum cards as fast as possible. Oh and maybe switch something else for another Factory? With Pendulum you will be emptying your hands real quick.



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2014-07-10T16:56:09Z
Updated deck
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AntiMetaman
2014-07-10T17:42:55Z
A babe deck? What an interesting idea. So Amazoness+Harpie+all alternative arts of Dark Magician Girl. Muahaha.
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2014-07-13T00:02:32Z
Originally Posted by: AntiMetaman 

A babe deck? What an interesting idea. So Amazoness+Harpie+all alternative arts of Dark Magician Girl. Muahaha.



They are out of my Deck's base, not to mention i despise them.
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2014-08-04T22:52:52Z
Updated deck
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AntiMetaman
2014-08-04T23:26:54Z
^You should max out on Justi-Break. You should also consider secret of the gallants, amulet of ambition, non-spellcasting area, and update your extra deck with better rank 4s. Skill drain is obviously maxed in this deck. If you want to try pendulum, use the normal pendulum monsters like Flash night, Focault’s Cannon, and Dragon Horn Hunter.
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2014-08-05T12:50:58Z
Updated, some names i couldn't find.
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2014-08-05T14:07:14Z
Try some gemini monsters. Remember they are treated as normal on field and grave, so all your cards like justi-break, dark factory, secrets of the gallants still work. The advantage of using gemini monsters is that you can use gemini spark which will help you with draw. Heart of the Underdog is good for exodia decks, but not for this. White Elephant's Gift is better for draw. Don't use Pot of Duality. Evocator combo with amulet of ambition. You don't really need pendulum unless it's for xyz summoning. If you can pendulum summon 3 level 4 normals, then you can even summon utopia one. Though, I think pendulum just doesn't fit in this deck. I also don't think synchro fits well in the deck. I added 3x Archfiend Soldier because it's fiend and you can summon DDD Caesar. You should play matches because side deck is good here. Non-spellcasting area protects you from dark hole and forbidden lance, otherwise it's not really necessary. Secrets of the gallants is an awesome card and -2 from opponent's hand is a big advantage.
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2014-08-05T15:21:25Z
I tried some cards from the deck for references...
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2014-08-05T15:49:30Z
Ok, better. I don't understand why you're using Cry Havoc. It gives you an extra normal summon at the price of removing a monster from grave. If you wanted to special summon a normal monster, you could've just used birthright, call of the haunted, swing of memories. Divine Wrath is a good card in a counter fairy deck which your deck is not. It will discard your hand. Instead of Maxx "C", you're better off with "Flying C", which stops your opponent from xyzing. You suddenly added Aquarian Alessa, which is a good card since it causes your opponent to discard, but then how will that work if skill drain is on the field? The reason to add gemini monsters was so that you could use gemini spark, not so that you could use gemini effects. Gemini monsters have to be summoned twice too. Gemini spark gives you a +1 and your opponent a -1. It's a great card that should be maxed. Tyrant's temper is a great card if you can pull it off allowing your own monsters to bypass skill drain while your opponent cannot. It requires a tribute though and it's hard enough to get 2 normal monsters on field for your xyz. You don't need effect veiler if you have skill drain. Though if you really want more effect negation, add breakthrough skill or fiendish chain. You're not using synchros anymore either, so no need for tuners. Amulet of Ambition isn't that great of a card. Non-spellcasting area is good if you want to avoid dark hole, but nothing else good about it.

I see that you're trying to go for a fairy build, but if you want to stick to the normal archetype, I don't see why fairy is needed. Is it because of Fairy Cheer girl? Do you really need her? Remember you want to stay away from effects since you are using a normal monster deck which is why skill drain is maxed.

Are you going for a strictly light normal monster deck or a level 4 normal monster deck? I need to know because it makes a difference. If you are going for light, then we can try using xyz monsters that require light as material and you can add honest. I thought though that you are trying to build a vanilla deck (i.e. normal monster deck).

Also, try actually dueling with different deck builds and see the difference.
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2014-08-05T17:51:58Z
Originally Posted by: AntiMetaman 

Ok, better. I don't understand why you're using Cry Havoc. It gives you an extra normal summon at the price of removing a monster from grave. If you wanted to special summon a normal monster, you could've just used birthright, call of the haunted, swing of memories.


okay
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Divine Wrath is a good card in a counter fairy deck which your deck is not. It will discard your hand.


Even so, it negates the effect of a monster and destroy it :3
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Instead of Maxx "C", you're better off with "Flying C", which stops your opponent from xyzing.


This might be a good idea.
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You suddenly added Aquarian Alessa, which is a good card since it causes your opponent to discard, but then how will that work if skill drain is on the field? The reason to add gemini monsters was so that you could use gemini spark, not so that you could use gemini effects. Gemini monsters have to be summoned twice too.

Gemini spark gives you a +1 and your opponent a -1. It's a great card that should be maxed. Tyrant's temper is a great card if you can pull it off allowing your own monsters to bypass skill drain while your opponent cannot. It requires a tribute though and it's hard enough to get 2 normal monsters on field for your xyz. You don't need effect veiler if you have skill drain.


Tyrant's temper will do good regrading that, despite the cost, also Effect veiler is a quick hand trap monster card :)
Originally Posted by: AntiMetaman 


Though if you really want more effect negation, add breakthrough skill or fiendish chain.


Despite the double negation of Breakthrough skill, but i don't like it because, it targets, the negation lasts until end phase, also it doesn't destroy the negated monster, same with fiendish chain, except it can be easily negated by MST.
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You're not using synchros anymore either, so no need for tuners. Amulet of Ambition isn't that great of a card. Non-spellcasting area is good if you want to avoid dark hole, but nothing else good about it.


yeah, that's the purpose
Originally Posted by: AntiMetaman 


I see that you're trying to go for a fairy build, but if you want to stick to the normal archetype, I don't see why fairy is needed. Is it because of Fairy Cheer girl? Do you really need her? Remember you want to stay away from effects since you are using a normal monster deck which is why skill drain is maxed.


it allows me to draw 1 card.
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Are you going for a strictly light normal monster deck or a level 4 normal monster deck? I need to know because it makes a difference. If you are going for light, then we can try using xyz monsters that require light as material and you can add honest. I thought though that you are trying to build a vanilla deck (i.e. normal monster deck).


Yes, a strict light Normal Monsters deck
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Also, try actually dueling with different deck builds and see the difference.



Will try ^^
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2014-08-05T18:42:15Z
Played two duels using both decks, and i got good results. one of them, the player got upset and surrendered.
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2014-08-05T19:47:16Z
Originally Posted by: FTON 

Even so, it negates the effect of a monster and destroy it :3 Tyrant's temper will do good regrading that, despite the cost, also Effect veiler is a quick hand trap monster card 🙂 Despite the double negation of Breakthrough skill, but i don't like it because, it targets, the negation lasts until end phase, also it doesn't destroy the negated monster, same with fiendish chain, except it can be easily negated by MST.



Yes, but so does skill drain which is already a continuous effect 😛. This is the same reasoning for Effect veiler. You may not like breakthrough skill because the effects only last a turn, it targets, and it doesn't destroy, but that is the same for effect veiler. They cannot negate the activation of breakthrough skill from the graveyard. Fiendish chain is good because it paralyzes a monster completely. Imagine you paralyzing a beelze and then killing it with gemini spark. Yes, they may have mst, but that is for anything lol. You can only have 3 mst in a deck, they have so many other face-downs to worry about. If my opponent has 3 wiretaps, does that mean I don't run any traps? Any card can be countered, but that is not reason to not include it in a deck.

Originally Posted by: FTON 


it allows me to draw 1 card.


So you want to change your entire main deck strategy for 1 xyz monster that may or not get summoned in a duel which can easily get destroyed and may have her effect negated due to skill drain? Just to draw 1 card when you already have gemini spark and white elephant's gift? I also noticed that in the second replay you posted, the exact scenario happened - you summoned her when drain was on field lol.

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Yes, a strict light Normal Monsters deck



Ok, then the last recipe that I posted is for you since it only has light type monsters in main deck. The name of the file is LV4 Vanilla Light.ydk. Both replays were good btw. The first one was better though because you took out 2 stardust dragons! Amulet of Ambition might not be a bad tech at all. You can use it if you want. I found that Justi-break is good, but you might as well just use plain old mirror force or better, a dimensional prison which can take care of many monsters that can't be destroyed by card effects. The good thing about Justi-Break is that it destroys ALL monsters that are not normal face-up attack, which means your opponent's face-down and defense monsters too. Non-spellcasting area is better in side deck and it has really no use. If opponent uses dark hole, you're better off just using starlight road to negate it.

Also, try matches so you can use side deck. 🙂 Replace 3x black horns with 3x mask of restrict if facing monarch, 3x light mirror if facing LS/Satellaknight/Constellar, shadow mirror and success probability 0 for shaddoll. Flying c of course is for those xyz decks, stops those excitons, delteros, tiaramisu. If drain is on field, flying c wont work, but then you won't need flying c if drain is on field. 🙂
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2014-08-05T22:53:20Z
Originally Posted by: AntiMetaman 

Originally Posted by: FTON 

Even so, it negates the effect of a monster and destroy it :3 Tyrant's temper will do good regrading that, despite the cost, also Effect veiler is a quick hand trap monster card 🙂 Despite the double negation of Breakthrough skill, but i don't like it because, it targets, the negation lasts until end phase, also it doesn't destroy the negated monster, same with fiendish chain, except it can be easily negated by MST.



Yes, but so does skill drain which is already a continuous effect 😛. This is the same reasoning for Effect veiler. You may not like breakthrough skill because the effects only last a turn, it targets, and it doesn't destroy, but that is the same for effect veiler. They cannot negate the activation of breakthrough skill from the graveyard. Fiendish chain is good because it paralyzes a monster completely. Imagine you paralyzing a beelze and then killing it with gemini spark. Yes, they may have mst, but that is for anything lol. You can only have 3 mst in a deck, they have so many other face-downs to worry about. If my opponent has 3 wiretaps, does that mean I don't run any traps? Any card can be countered, but that is not reason to not include it in a deck.


you make a point with this [:thumbu:]
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it allows me to draw 1 card.


Originally Posted by: AntiMetaman 


So you want to change your entire main deck strategy for 1 xyz monster that may or not get summoned in a duel which can easily get destroyed and may have her effect negated due to skill drain? Just to draw 1 card when you already have gemini spark and white elephant's gift? I also noticed that in the second replay you posted, the exact scenario happened - you summoned her when drain was on field lol.


Well, the only thing i can possibly explain for this : Greed, i sometimes go greedy about drawing cards.
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Originally Posted by: FTON 


Yes, a strict light Normal Monsters deck



Ok, then the last recipe that I posted is for you since it only has light type monsters in main deck. The name of the file is LV4 Vanilla Light.ydk. Both replays were good btw. The first one was better though because you took out 2 stardust dragons! Amulet of Ambition might not be a bad tech at all. You can use it if you want. I found that Justi-break is good, but you might as well just use plain old mirror force or better, a dimensional prison which can take care of many monsters that can't be destroyed by card effects. The good thing about Justi-Break is that it destroys ALL monsters that are not normal face-up attack, which means your opponent's face-down and defense monsters too. Non-spellcasting area is better in side deck and it has really no use. If opponent uses dark hole, you're better off just using starlight road to negate it.


The first one was i made my opponent believe that i will waste a card for nothing, then i used silent honors to take stardust away and move on :)
The second one was done quickly and flawless where i used Amulet of Ambition, but the guy desperately increased Stardust's ATK, however he didn't make it.
Originally Posted by: AntiMetaman 


Also, try matches so you can use side deck. 🙂 Replace 3x black horns with 3x mask of restrict if facing monarch, 3x light mirror if facing LS/Satellaknight/Constellar, shadow mirror and success probability 0 for shaddoll. Flying c of course is for those xyz decks, stops those excitons, delteros, tiaramisu. If drain is on field, flying c wont work, but then you won't need flying c if drain is on field. :)


I should probably do this often, i'm hoping that opponent won't get bored, you see in my first single, my opponent has surrendered, may be it is not a good reason to justify it, but i will try playing matches and see how it will work 🙂.


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2015-01-30T10:35:58Z
Deck Updated
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AntiMetaman
2015-01-30T14:28:00Z
Not sure what happened, but the deck is less consistent than it was before. Tyrant's temper is better used in a vanilla pendulum deck where the pendulum monsters can just return to extra after they are tributed, otherwise it's a -1. One copy of skill drain only? Cry Havoc? Rather than 2x Common Charity, more Heart of the Underdog is preferred. What is Wingweaver doing there?

I'm not understanding what the strategy is, vanilla fairies?
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2015-01-30T17:38:27Z
Originally Posted by: AntiMetaman 

Not sure what happened, but the deck is less consistent than it was before. Tyrant's temper is better used in a vanilla pendulum deck where the pendulum monsters can just return to extra after they are tributed, otherwise it's a -1. One copy of skill drain only? Cry Havoc? Rather than 2x Common Charity, more Heart of the Underdog is preferred. What is Wingweaver doing there?


umm..... I've seen the deck you updated, and i know there's nothing easier than Pendulums for each deck, but for some reasons, i don' t feel good using those available cards, some of them are either Non-Light Monsters (except few i have which are only 1 copy per each) , or their effects are kinda..... way too Simple, i mean C'mon, Pierce effect and 200 ATK increase won't do any better to this deck. XD, also i'm not really sure how Rescue rabbit would work on Pendulum Cards.
i don't like relying too much on them..
Originally Posted by: AntiMetaman 


I'm not understanding what the strategy is, vanilla fairies?



umm, Light Normal Monsters
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AntiMetaman
2015-01-30T17:58:58Z
Why the light attribute though? What benefit are you attaining by making a vanilla light deck? There's no honest. Is it for the light xyz monsters like starliege? The deck I updated that I gave you before is called Vanilla Gemini. It doesn't contain any pendulums. I'm not sure you're understanding the pendulum mechanics in vanilla decks. Rescue rabbit can summon any 2 normal pendulums. These pendulums when destroyed go to the extra deck, hence, you've just added 2 cards to the extra. Or you can use those 2 pendulums to xyz, but then they won't go to extra.

Also, the pendulums are not there for "effects" like pierce, that's just the icing on the top. The reason for pendulums is the engine that allows you to keep summoning and swarming the field with normal monsters.
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