SGJin
2014-10-02T13:11:13Z
Yeah I pretty much exclusively play spellcaster decks.

Chaos zone is a bit iffy in your deck since the only monsters that can take advantage of it are DMoC, Ebon Magician, and Black luster. maybe if you added more card that can banish monsters like Kycoo the Ghost destroyer.

For testing , I can do a few quick duels right now, and more later today. I'll set something up.
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DragonOsman2
2014-10-02T14:13:07Z
I also Chaos Sorcerer as one of my Chaos monsters, don't I? And once I accumulate enough Chaos Counters on it, I could Special Summon a Light or Dark monster from my Graveyard whose Level is equal to or less than the number of Chaos Counters on it, and if it's destroyed by a card effect, I get to add a Light or Dark monster from my Deck to my hand whose Level is equal to or less than the number Chaos Counters it had. If I face the right kind of Deck, I should be able to accumulate enough Chaos Counters easily (like against Decks that use Bottomless Trap Hole and other banishing cards).

And thanks for the info on the server and the duel; I'll go there once I've sorted this out about Chaos Zone.

Aside from that, though, I was also wondering about a Magician's Valkyria + Safe Zone combo. I think it'd help me out a lot if I add those cards in. It's normally better to include at least two Magician's Valkyria in your Deck since it creates a complete lock as your opponent can't attack any of your Spellcasters that way, but with Safe Zone, I should only need one Magician's Valkyria, plus she'd also be protected from card effects which is even better. And that way, I won't have to worry about Safe Zone not allowing the monster it's targeting to attack directly, either, since we normally don't get to attack directly that much with Magician's Valkyria, anyway.
SGJin
2014-10-02T14:32:36Z
One thing I forgot to mention is that Safe Zone requires the monster to be in face up Attack position for it to be effective, so while Valkyria + safe zone is a nice semi - lock, you can still take damage if your opponent attacks Valkyria. I tend to use the Valkyria + Gagagashield combo since it allows it to be used on defense position monsters while allowing it a good amount of protection.


Also send me a PM when you want to test your deck, I'll be back in about 3-4 hours.
DragonOsman2
2014-10-02T15:25:06Z
Yeah, it does suck that the monster has to be in face-up Attack Position for Safe Zone to work. So yeah, maybe Gagagashield is best (although it's only good twice per turn).

And I noticed I forgot to mention Chaos Sorcerer in that list before, so I edited it in just now. Sorry about that.

And yeah, I'll PM you when I want to duel. Actually, let's do it once you're back, and I'll decide on Chaos Zone and/or Valkyria and Gagagashield afterwords, if that's okay.

Edit: Never mind, I'm going to have to go somewhere by the time you're back, it seems, so I'll have to PM you.

And I'm going to add two Gagagashield but no Valkyria, and also no Chaos Zone unless I can find room for it (I'll leave it at 47 cards for now).

Edit 2: I decided to put in Dark Illusion instead of Gagagashield. I think it's more in line with what I want, since it protects the targeted monster from card effects in general and not just the destructive kind (although it's only Dark-Attribute monsters; I'd have preferred it if it weren't so specific on the kind of monster it protects). Although, if I can have 50 cards in there without making it too inconsistent and also making it feel like it's a lot less cards than 50, I'd like to know of a good way, so I can keep both Gagagashield and Dark Illusion, along with another monster (I'm thinking of Cybernetic Magician).

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SGJin
2014-10-03T01:23:36Z
I'm not to sure if adding in another high level monster is a good idea.
You already have 9 of your monsters that need to be tributed or special summoned to get to the field; adding in any more high leveled cards will lead to bad opening hands. Not to mention cybernetic magician is pretty sup-par nowadays.
DragonOsman2
2014-10-03T16:28:17Z
Summoning Sorcerer of Dark Magic requires offering two Level 6 or higher Spellcaster-Type monsters as Tributes, so I probably need more Level 6 Spellcasters. Tempest Magician can be a bit hard to summon, too, at least considering the way my Deck is (only the Level 1 Effect Veiler as Tuners, and no Level 2 Tuners or Level 5 non-Tuner monsters, so yeah - but maybe, if I add Night's End Sorcerer, I'll be able to summon Tempest Magician more easily). And at least Chaos Sorcerer and Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning can be Special Summoned from the Graveyard once they've been Special Summoned via their effects properly once, too, so that's not much of a problem. In that regard, only Arcanite Magician, out of my Synchro monsters, and all of my Fusion monsters, can only be Special Summoned by Synchro or Fusion Summon and cannot be Special Summoned by other ways (but they're all in the Extra Deck, not the Main Deck).

I probably also need more Level 7 monsters for Ebon Illusion Magician; I can't afford to have to use Dark Magician, after all, since two of Ebon Illusion Magician's effects center around Spellcaster-Type Normal monsters - it'd be a pity if I used two of those same Spellcaster-Type Normal monsters, which I only have three of in the whole Deck, as Xyz Materials for Ebon Illusion Magician.
jacollo
2014-10-03T16:37:33Z
Can't you just use Magi Magi Magician Girl as a Material for Ebon illusion? Think about it, you can take control over opponent's monster and Summon Dark Magician with Ebon Illusion. Sounds good to me.
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SGJin
2014-10-03T16:39:33Z
There are many tricks that can help your problem without needing to add in more high level monsters. Gagaga Magician for example is a level 4 monster that covers your needs.

Quote:

Once per turn: You can declare a Level from 1 to 8; this card becomes that Level until the End Phase. You can only control 1 "Gagaga Magician". This card cannot be used as a Synchro Material Monster.



He can change his level to any level from 1-8, so he can easily make himself lvl 6 for both Sorcerer Magician and Ebpn Magician (Dont forget you can summon Ebon magician from a rank 6 spellcaster XYZ) I also would recommend removing 1 Dark Magician; Since you have so many ways to special summon him, 3 seems a bit excessive.
DragonOsman2
2014-10-03T20:36:38Z
I don't like having less than 3 of the Dark Magician in a Dark Magician or Dark Magician Girl Deck (although, because of her effect, a Dark Magician Girl Deck would need 3 of the Dark Magician Girl in it, too). I don't care about how easily I can Special Summon him, what I do care about is that it's a Dark Magician Deck.

I'll just put in either one Gagaga Magician and one Gagaga Girl, or two Gagaga Magician.

Should I maybe take out Soul Drain from the Side Deck and put something else in there? Amulet Dragon's effect to allow me to Special Summon a Spellcaster-Type monster from the Graveyard once he's destroyed and sent to the Graveyard sounds like an effect that activates in the Graveyard to me, and Soul Drain stops effects that activate in the Graveyard for both players.

By the way, about taking control of my opponent's monster, would I be able to take back control of one of my own monsters that had been stolen from me by Number 11: Big Eye by taking control of Big Eye itself, or will I have to destroy Big Eye or just negate its effect when it activates?
SGJin
2014-10-03T20:57:01Z
You would have to stop Big Eye's effect before it activates or use a card like remove brainwashing to prevent your monsters from getting taken.
Out of your deck you have; Dark Renewal, Effect Veiler, Magical Dimension, Dark Illusion, and Forbidden Chalice that can stop that from happening.
DragonOsman2
2014-10-03T21:12:40Z
How would cards like Dark Renewal or Magical Dimension prevent it? I'd prefer my monster to stay on the field even after my opponent tries to take it; with Magical Dimension and Dark Renewal, I'd have to Tribute one of my Spellcasters and God forbid if I have to Tribute the very monster I'm trying to keep from being taken from me. And in my duels against the AI, most of the time it happens to either Dark Paladin or Sorcerer of Dark Magic, two of my biggest Boss Monsters. I've also faced an Xyz monster that can take a Special Summoned monster on my side of the field and make it an Xyz Material on itself. It's really irritating.

Anyway, for now I'll leave the Deck as it is . . . wanna duel right now? With the same password as before, if possible.
SGJin
2014-10-03T21:29:25Z
Those 2 cards are mostly last ditch efforts to stop Big Eye. Like if you would lose the duel if you didn't use them kind of situations.

And sure, the room is set up, same info as before.
DragonOsman2
2014-10-03T22:25:15Z
I can't get into the duel for some reason; when I go to the window for the server, it asks me for the room password and what kinds of cards I want to be allowed (like the Ban List, OCG/TCG or just TCG or OCG), but when I enter the password, it doesn't take me to the duel.
SGJin
2014-10-03T22:50:11Z
It sounds like you are in Checkmate Server.
For server click on the list and select YGOPro (USA), it should bring up a list of different rooms. Then look for the room titled "DragonOsman2 Deck Testing". Enter the room password at the bottom right hand corner.
DragonOsman2
2014-10-03T22:58:28Z
I'm in the right server, but I don't see the duel you're talking about.
SGJin
2014-10-03T23:10:45Z
Lets move this to PMs so we stop bumping the thread xd.

Also make sure you have the "show locked" checkbox checked in the bottom right corner.
DragonOsman2
2014-10-05T15:23:44Z
While trying to keep to the theme of keeping enough Draw and Search power to keep this many cards as "fine," I'll make mine a 50-card Deck and am now going to post the pic here. This is how the Deck is right now.

UserPostedImage

Edit: I'm actually thinking of taking out the two Breakers and putting in Lyla instead. It's good Deck-Thinning Power, although I'd have to see if the cards that get sent to the Graveyard by its effect are cards I can get back and use. If a Trap Card goes to the Graveyard, it'd be over for it, since my Deck doesn't have any cards that can get Trap Cards back from the Graveyard. If a Spell Card goes to the Graveyard with Lyla's effect that I want to use, I could use Magician of Faith or Dark Magician of Chaos to get it back (unless both of my Magician of Faith cards and/or Dark Magician of Chaos gets sent to the Graveyard--well, I can still Special Summon from the Graveyard easily with Dedication through Light and Darkness, but it'd be bad if it gets sent to the Graveyard before I could use it).

I'll put Lyla in anyway, and see how the Deck runs. Maybe I should also make a thread in the Duels section to ask fo some Test Duels.