Wheel_Of_Fate
2015-02-01T03:11:48Z
After watching all yugioh movies and episodes i figured that god cards effects aren't correct at all
Because we never see it before work that way in anime.
Let's revise it one by one:
Obelisk:
It is unaffected by traps and spells except divine type monsters.(custom effect because yugi never said anything about it in anime)
You can tribute two monsters to make this card attack infinite (custom effect because that was a strategy emulator in seto kaiba lab)yugi never used such effect.
Tribute 2 monsters to destroy all your opponent monsters and inflict 4000 points of damage. (Custom effect yugi never used it)
Slifer the sky dragon:
It is unaffected by traps and spells except divine type monsters.(custom effect because yugi never said anything about it in anime)
Winged Dragon of RA:
It is unaffected by traps and spells except divine type monsters.(custom effect because yugi never said anything about it in anime)
Michael Lawrence Dee
2015-02-01T03:48:59Z
Oh right. I saw that part in some movie. The simulation of Obelsik having infinite atk. Well that's quite an amount of explanation. All of these seem fair.
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YamiJustin
2015-02-01T04:24:05Z
Mirror Force was used against Obelisk, didn't do anything to him.
The anime God Card effects are based on what is seen and discussed about them.
Emiliavance
2015-02-01T04:44:48Z
In the original manga, it is explicitly said that God Cards are immune against Trap Cards of any kind, Spell effects only lasts for a single turn, and they're unaffected by monster effects, except for Divine Monsters. Ra, specifically, is unaffected by "Low-Tier" God Cards, which are Obelisk and Slifer.

Obelisk does able to One-Hit Kill (If using 4000 LP base) by Tributing 2 monsters. Yugi does, used that effect against Marik, although to no avail due to the "Ra Master Race > Osiris and Obelisk Filthy Pheasants" effect.
Link is the new Synchro, because it changes the definition of "Classic" in Yu-Gi-Oh!
YamiJustin
2015-02-01T04:47:12Z
^ This. In the manga Ra was Hierarchy 1 and Slifer and Obelisk are Hierarchy 2, so their effects didn't work against him (this carried over into Yugioh R). In the anime it was removed.

The anime God Cards are close to their anime effects. Its impossible to make them 100% without being contradictory. And the movie was non-canon.
hexanort
2015-02-01T05:13:28Z
the thing is, all the anime divine-beast immunity against s/t is unclear since sometime they're affected
sometimes not, obelisk are shown not affected by mirror force, but is affected by corrosion earth, trap yugi used when duel against atem
slifer is affected by nightmare steelcage and RA is affected and even destroyed by ragnarok which both is a spell card
YamiJustin
2015-02-01T05:20:20Z
Yeah, that's why it's difficult to settle on their effects. They have ambiguous effects sometimes, and sometimes the effects are contradictory. There are manga specific effects and anime. I personally think the current effects are as close to the anime as can be. Without specifically listing every card ever played against them. It should just be left as is.
Michael Lawrence Dee
2015-02-01T05:35:02Z
Originally Posted by: YamiJustin 

Mirror Force was used against Obelisk, didn't do anything to him.
The anime God Card effects are based on what is seen and discussed about them.



This quote proves that they cannot be destroyed by card effects. This doesn't prove that they're unaffected. What if they used Dimensional Prison or Wall or Revealing Light or Gravity Bind?

Originally Posted by: YamiJustin 

^ This. In the manga Ra was Hierarchy 1 and Slifer and Obelisk are Hierarchy 2, so their effects didn't work against him (this carried over into Yugioh R). In the anime it was removed.

The anime God Cards are close to their anime effects. Its impossible to make them 100% without being contradictory. And the movie was non-canon.



Before, you disliked combining Anime effects with Manga effects and now you're approving it? Dude, make up your mind.
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YamiJustin
2015-02-01T06:07:36Z
I never suggested to merge anime and manga effects. That's why I never advocated for Ra being unaffected by Slifer and Obelisk's special abilities in this game, because that only applies in the manga.

As it is now, there is way to many examples of the God Card's being used against cards. I'm not going to go out of my way to prove something that's been proven a bunch, especially with someone determined to get rid of them
Michael Lawrence Dee
2015-02-01T06:14:18Z
Originally Posted by: YamiJustin 


As it is now, there is way to many examples of the God Card's being used against cards. I'm not going to go out of my way to prove something that's been proven a bunch, especially with someone determined to get rid of them



You can prove it to win this immediately or you can ignore it with people thinking that the current effect(s) are probably custom. Use Anime-based proofs and let's see it.
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YamiJustin
2015-02-01T06:19:18Z
Why don't you start listing the card that actually did affect the God Cards?

Much easier than me having to list what their specific immunities are. Like the previous poster said, sometimes its confusing or contradictory. That's just the way God Cards are. In the GX episode, Ra could use his special abilities of One Turn Kill and God Phoenix despite being tribute summoned. Obelisk's ATK did increase to infinity when he tributed monsters during the duel between Marik and Yugi. Slifer was treated as a Dragon-type in the one episode (whether that's his actual type or an additional type).

Ragnarok and Pyramid of Light are the only Spell and Trap Cards displayed to kill the Gods permanently from the field
Michael Lawrence Dee
2015-02-01T06:22:28Z
Originally Posted by: YamiJustin 

Why don't you start listing the card that actually did affect the God Cards?

Much easier than me having to list what their specific immunities are. Like the previous poster said, sometimes its confusing or contradictory. That's just the way God Cards are. In the GX episode, Ra could use his special abilities of One Turn Kill and God Phoenix despite being tribute summoned. Obelisk's ATK did increase to infinity when he tributed monsters during the duel between Marik and Yugi. Slifer was treated as a Dragon-type in the one episode (whether that's his actual type or an additional type).

Ragnarok and Pyramid of Light are the only Spell and Trap Cards displayed to kill the Gods permanently from the field



Let's wait for Wheeler_of_Fate's reply then.
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YamiJustin
2015-02-01T06:29:24Z
Wheeler didn't even bother to prove how the current effects are wrong. He just said "this is wrong". Did he watch the dub or sub? It's important.

Cards I can think of:
- Nightmare Steelcage's effect lasted on Slifer for one turn.
- Mark says that normally Ra would be prevented from attacking due to the effect of Vengeful Fog Spirit, but he was unaware that when Ra was special summoned it could attack regardless
- Slifer's 2000 point damage special ability only lasted on Obelisk for 1 turn
- I can't think of any regular monster effects used against the God Cards
- Anime Blast Held by a Tribute WOULD have worked against Obelisk according to Ishizu, but she never got the chance to use it
- Yugi was unable to use Soul Taker spell card to tribute Ra, although he wasn't going to
- Ragnarok and Pyramid of Light are the only spells and traps that negated and destroyed the God Cards (anime cards)
JNez08
2015-02-01T06:36:05Z
I'm not seeing any incorrect effects. What spells or traps lasted for more than 1 turn? What non-DIVINE monster effects worked on anime Gods? The current effects are as good as you can get without splitting hairs
YamiJustin
2015-02-01T06:48:07Z
Yea. The cards Command Silencer, the effect of Sword of Souls, and Necromancy also worked.

Basically anything that doesn't destroy/negate/remove the Gods from the field worked for 1 turn. This was mostly just attack preventing and ATK/DEF changing.
hexanort
2015-02-01T06:53:39Z
hmm now that i think about it the effect is pretty close to what happened in the anime, cannot be targeted, or leave the field by other card effect beside DIVINE, beside RA destruction by ragnarok or dimension magic in the original manga
there is several card that affect the god, but nearly none of them target (De-Fusion is the only card that target but still affect RA, and God's Evolution(Equip) in R manga)
on regular monster effect i think they can affect them, kaiba used Sword of Soul during the duel vs yugi to have obelisk gain 1000 atk, only last for 1 turn though
YamiJustin
2015-02-01T06:57:01Z
Exactly. The anime Gods were made by IDarkDemonI and their effects were discussed by others as he made them, as we were trying to decide the best interpretation. Because obviously any anime Gods with actual effect is an interpretation is going to technically be labeled 'custom'. Custom in the sense that there is no official text in the anime to go by outside the flavor text. I'm perfectly content with the current effects, as they do not seem to conflict with the anime or manga. Only thing I'd change is make it so that non-targeting negation doesn't work, because I just can't see these "greatest duel monsters ever" being affected by a puny Skill Drain LOL
Michael Lawrence Dee
2015-02-01T07:04:33Z
Originally Posted by: YamiJustin 

Exactly. The anime Gods were made by IDarkDemonI and their effects were discussed by others as he made them, as we were trying to decide the best interpretation. Because obviously any anime Gods with actual effect is an interpretation is going to technically be labeled 'custom'. Custom in the sense that there is no official text in the anime to go by outside the flavor text. I'm perfectly content with the current effects, as they do not seem to conflict with the anime or manga. Only thing I'd change is make it so that non-targeting negation doesn't work, because I just can't see these "greatest duel monsters ever" being affected by a puny Skill Drain LOL



Labeled "Custom"... A few people and I discussed about changing Deck Masters to Pendulum, we worked it out, got into the game but was then removed... Why didn't the Egyptian God Cards gain this issue? Because the Anime God Cards were more "liked" than the Deck Masters? Because they're God Cards? Now this doesn't seem fair at all. This seems very wrong in every way, God Cards shouldn't be the reason.
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YamiJustin
2015-02-01T07:06:47Z
Deck Masters are not actual cards. They were simply chosen cards used as your deck master, they never had unique effects printed on them. That's why. Now stop whining.
Michael Lawrence Dee
2015-02-01T07:15:50Z
Originally Posted by: YamiJustin 

Deck Masters are not actual cards. They were simply chosen cards used as your deck master, they never had unique effects printed on them. That's why. Now stop whining.



Look, it's no longer about the Deck Masters. I accepted the fact that I'll move all cards in the official game with custom effects be moved to the Custom Server even the ones that I use myself like Numerons and Numerronius cards. We shouldn't have the exception even if these are favorites. If these are truly custom, we shouldn't have them in the first place in the official game.
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