AntiMetaman
2016-02-20T21:06:32Z
I'm unable to search for Eye of Timaeus, a spell card that has "Dark Magician" in its card text.
Eerie Code
2016-02-20T21:09:04Z
Originally Posted by: AntiMetaman 

I'm unable to search for Eye of Timaeus, a spell card that has "Dark Magician" in its card text.

Cards like "Magician's Rod" work on cards that list "Dark Magician" the monster, not "Dark Magician" the archetype. I thought it would work on Timaeus too, but the Wikia  confirms it: it doesn't.
AntiMetaman
2016-02-20T21:21:39Z
Ah too bad, could've been Dark Paladin turbo lol.
Aussielicious
2016-02-21T00:04:40Z
Incorrect.

Magician's Rod and also, Dark Magic Circle SHOULD be able to search The Eye of Timaeus.

The Wiki isn't always the go-to place to confirm if it can or can't, as that can be edited by anybody.

At the time of this posting, neither the beta versions of Magician's Rod nor Dark Magic Circle are able to search The Eye of Timaeus on YugiohPro 1.033.7 V2 Percy.

These two cards should be able to search The Eye of Timaeus, but they do not currently.

Current translations:

Magician's Rod:

Quote:

When this card is Normal Summoned: You can add 1 Spell/Trap Card that lists "Dark Magician" in its text from your Deck to your hand. During your opponent's turn, if you activate a Spell/Trap effect while this card is in your Graveyard: You can Tribute 1 Spellcaster-Type monster; add this card to your hand. You can only use each effect of "Magician's Rod" once per turn.



Dark Magic Circle:

Quote:

When this card is activated: Look at the top 3 cards of your Deck, you can reveal 1 "Dark Magician" or 1 Spell/Trap Card that lists "Dark Magician" in its text among them and add it to your hand, also after that, place any remaining cards on the top of your Deck in any order. If "Dark Magician" is Normal or Special Summoned to your side of the field: You can target 1 card your opponent controls; banish it. You can only use each effect of "Dark Magic Circle" once per turn.



The Eye of Timaeus:

Quote:

(This card is also always treated as "Legendary Dragon Timaeus".)
Target 1 "Dark Magician" monster you control; Fusion Summon 1 Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck that lists that monster on the field as a Fusion Material Monster, using it as the Fusion Material. You can only activate 1 "The Eye of Timaeus" per turn.

2016-02-21T08:15:54Z
Still, I have to point out that the translation is wrong. Rod's Japanese text says:「ブラック・マジシャン」のカード名が記された, which means 'Has "Dark Magician"'s card name printed'.
Magician's Rod doesn't actually refer to Dark Magician specifically. It refers to its card name, which is a huge difference. I'd say Magician's Rod should be able to search Eye of Timaeus, since it has Dark Magician's card name written on it even though it refers to the archetype.
Eerie Code
2016-02-21T08:21:06Z
Originally Posted by: RaitaTheLightning 

Still, I have to point out that the translation is wrong. Rod's Japanese text says:「ブラック・マジシャン」のカード名が記された, which means 'Has "Dark Magician"'s card name printed'.
Magician's Rod doesn't actually refer to Dark Magician specifically. It refers to its card name, which is a huge difference. I'd say Magician's Rod should be able to search Eye of Timaeus, since it has Dark Magician's card name written on it even though it refers to the archetype.

In this case, shouldn't it mean the exact opposite? If it says "card name", then it should mean "that specific monster", not the series.
2016-02-21T08:31:57Z
Originally Posted by: Eerie Code 

In this case, shouldn't it mean the exact opposite? If it says "card name", then it should mean "that specific monster", not the series.



I'm not sure, but my take on Magician-s's Rod is that any S/T with Dark Magician's card name written on it can be searched by it, no matter what it refers to(be it the monster or the archetype). See the "が記された" part of Magician's Rod effect, which means "has been written".
The Eye of Timaeus refers to the DM archetype but it does have DM's name printed on it.
Padraigo
2016-02-21T08:45:09Z
That has never been the case with previous cards though, like the new Buster Blader cards. There has always been a difference between card mentioned specifically and those mentioned as an arche-type. That is just how it is.
UserPostedImage
2016-02-21T08:47:36Z
Yes, but Magician's Rod doesn't refer to Dark Magician, it refers to its card name. It's a completely different problem than with Buster Blader.
Padraigo
2016-02-21T09:24:36Z
Originally Posted by: RaitaTheLightning 

Yes, but Magician's Rod doesn't refer to Dark Magician, it refers to its card name. It's a completely different problem than with Buster Blader.



Magicians Rod refers to cards that mention Dark Magician the card itself.

Timaeus mentions Dark Magician as an arche-type.

Totally different, dude.
UserPostedImage
2016-02-21T09:27:01Z
The current translation is flawed, the actual Japanese text refers to DM's card name.
Padraigo
2016-02-21T09:32:43Z
So then, put that on the wikia then. That is what we go by.
UserPostedImage
XTAL
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2016-02-21T09:33:05Z
Originally Posted by: RaitaTheLightning 

Yes, but Magician's Rod doesn't refer to Dark Magician, it refers to its card name. It's a completely different problem than with Buster Blader.

"「ブラック・マジシャン」のカード名が記された" specifically refers to "Dark Magician" himself. cf. "Armored Cybern"
If the card worked as you said, the text would be "「ブラック・マジシャン」と記された" or "「ブラック・マジシャン」を含むカード名が記された".
2016-02-21T09:47:16Z
Originally Posted by: XTAL 

「ブラック・マジシャン」のカード名が記された" specifically refers to "Dark Magician" himself. cf. "Armored Cybern"
If the card worked as you said, the text would be "「ブラック・マジシャン」と記された" or "「ブラック・マジシャン」を含むカード名が記された".



I disagree. Armored Cybern isn't worded like Magician's Rod. In fact, it's closer to "「ブラック・マジシャン」と記された" in that aspect as it doesn't have "カード名". The addition of that clause changes everything.
XTAL
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2016-02-21T10:02:44Z
Originally Posted by: RaitaTheLightning 

Originally Posted by: XTAL 

「ブラック・マジシャン」のカード名が記された" specifically refers to "Dark Magician" himself. cf. "Armored Cybern"
If the card worked as you said, the text would be "「ブラック・マジシャン」と記された" or "「ブラック・マジシャン」を含むカード名が記された".



I disagree. Armored Cybern isn't worded like Magician's Rod. In fact, it's closer to "「ブラック・マジシャン」と記された" in that aspect as it doesn't have "カード". The addition of that clause changes everything.

Looks like I should have given "Pre-Preparation of Rites" as an example rather than "Armored Cybern", as its text is outdated.
Quote:

「儀式の下準備」は1ターンに1枚しか発動できない。①:デッキから儀式魔法カード1枚を選び、さらにその儀式魔法カードにカード名が記された儀式モンスター1体を自分のデッキ・墓地から選ぶ。そのカード2枚を手札に加える。


2016-02-21T10:13:42Z
Makes much more sense. Indeed, Pre-Preparation of Rites refers to specific monsters and it wouldn't work with Eye of Timaeus even if it was a Ritual Spell. Thanks for clearing this up.
barfour
2016-02-21T18:03:13Z
it's should to search Eye of Timaues also !
because it's effect is very clear "Dark Magician in it's text"
and Eye of Timaues has "Fusion Summon a monster that lists Dark Magician as Fusion Material"
So ! , it can be and should search
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Wiki is not trust Source can anybody to Edit it
Michael Lawrence Dee
2016-02-21T23:53:14Z
Originally Posted by: barfour 


Wiki is not trust Source can anybody to Edit it



If you're talking about yugioh.wikia.com, I'm pretty sure it's safe to trust it since we have admins as well. I've seen the forums, card pages, ruling pages, trivia, tips, etc. And they are checked to ensure there is nothing wrong with what is posted.
Now this is how I play:
Padraigo
2016-02-22T02:09:21Z
Originally Posted by: barfour 

it's should to search Eye of Timaues also !
because it's effect is very clear "Dark Magician in it's text"
and Eye of Timaues has "Fusion Summon a monster that lists Dark Magician as Fusion Material"
So ! , it can be and should search
+
Wiki is not trust Source can anybody to Edit it



Eye of Timaeus lists "Dark Magician" the arche-type, Magicians Rod lists cards that list "Dark Magician" the card itself.

While it might seem the same in English translation, in Japanese they are two totally different things.

Wikia is where we will always use our info, there are way more people dedicated to ensuring it is accurate than those who aren't.

If you don't like wikia as a trusted source, then that is your perogative, but we will trust that over someone who has only 5 posts in the forum. (No offense intended)

The effect was also confirmed by our resident translator, Xtal.
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marik
2016-02-22T02:18:38Z
i already asked FH github pages. And they answer that "magician's rod" / "dark magic circle" couldn't search "the eye of timaeus".

https://github.com/Fluor...4#issuecomment-186829795