rokuhyouka
2016-04-15T12:28:59Z
Since their release i've been playing with them instead of my usual Bujin deck , but unlike bujin , the deck won't just flow , and now i have an issue regarding the draw engine , and also how hard it is to put my opponent keep pressured , i have been going to TCG locals with this but i can't seem break the top 4 because of some tie and losing to time limit ...

The Consistency engine that i've tested before :

  • Kuraz Revival draw engine > Call of the haunted/Oasis of Dragon Soul/Powerful Rebirth pop both and draw 2 , didn't integrate much with the deck and most of the time i can't use this engine , because i pop another opponent card resulting minimum result
  • Bear Wing Toy Vendor > Powerful , help me thin the deck faster , but need a consistent way to put Fluffal Wing to the grave
  • Cardcar D/Duality and some Psychic generic Spell and Trap > standart built and well balanced , integrate well enough but suffers from the Activation Requirement , another downside : this is not to powerful
  • Convulsion of Nature / Archfiend's Oath > Powerful stand-alone engine but this one sealed my fate to previous Local Top 8 not 4 because of time limit , currently this is the most powerful one i've tried
  • Appropriate > this is too powerful , and does not sit well with PSY-Frames because of the need of keeping card in hand vs hand limit
  • Spirit Engine + Evilswarm Thunder bird > Eliminate the need for pressuring , gaining access to R4 Diamond Dire Wolf and Castel which can decide the fate of the match , but became too predictable thus losing some Psychological advantage
  • Yosenju Engine : Prone to breakthrough skill , not to powerful but not weak either


I wonder if i can get some advice here ...

Oh , and thanks before ...
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Higuide
2016-04-16T10:45:19Z
i tried used them in the past and had limited success even here [:wall:] i still hit refresh for OCG news for new cards and supports (nothing specific)

i recently made a small break on a couple of work arounds keep in mind you can use box of friends to summon PFG driver(big maybe), as well as the gear frames can be special summoned through other means might have to experiment with syncro fodder spam lite engines (consistent level 8s and 7s sync) and maybe drop the number of the other frames by 1 to summon omega and zeta ASAP

i know the archtype was originally to work entirely around zeta and omega bouncing back and forth on the field during the opponent's turn screwing and controlling his cards

definately add one for one and emergency teleport

problably depending on how well the sync fodder does can throw in a 1-2 instant fusions and a varied fusions with different levels to reduce saturation

but yeah thats the layout of making that work, i came up with that as i am writing all of which is in theory.

definately one of those decks you'll want through trial and error in ygo pro before committing to the physical copies to make it sure it works
rokuhyouka
2016-04-17T03:32:07Z
Originally Posted by: Higuide 

i tried used them in the past and had limited success even here [:wall:] i still hit refresh for OCG news for new cards and supports (nothing specific)

i recently made a small break on a couple of work arounds keep in mind you can use box of friends to summon PFG driver(big maybe), as well as the gear frames can be special summoned through other means might have to experiment with syncro fodder spam lite engines (consistent level 8s and 7s sync) and maybe drop the number of the other frames by 1 to summon omega and zeta ASAP

definately add one for one and emergency teleport

problably depending on how well the sync fodder does can throw in a 1-2 instant fusions and a varied fusions with different levels to reduce saturation



Thank you for your feedback , i have tried using E-Tele , and one for one , while using them as a synchro fodder i have some issues , while it is nice to have but it's disturbing the deck's overall play style ...

But vs Kozmo , Monarch , and Draco-Pals it won't be a problem , but to not actually disturb the deck i decided to put both E-Tele and 141 in the side deck since our TCG's meta here is too diverse , and most of the time the event organizer add some minor changes into the official banlist to ensure the balance ...

Using Box of Friends however , require me to destroy it immediately to gain favorable stand , and i don't have the card i can search/use consistently except by changing the whole deck to work with Box of Friends also this is my real deck and i don't have Box of Friends , so sorry [:cry:] ...

And btw here is V2 of my deck
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Higuide
2016-04-19T00:28:27Z
i made a usable build of the deck using some junk cards to make bringing out omega and zeta a bit more consistent and less reliant on the opponent's imput and good hand/draws.

using decks like junk or synchrons is not really my specialty (could be better) but it gives an idea what i was talking about

in this iteration it tries to summon omega, zeta, if not them its stardust assault (then just summons the tuner to bring omega/zeta), jet warrior for in between summons

dw there is no box of friends in this deck [:thumbu:] when i mentioned it i was spitballing a few idea before working on this deck.

still has some of the original problems [:wall:] but its a step in the right direction

i added a replay and a small tweek
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rokuhyouka
2016-04-25T06:08:39Z
Oh , you're right , it's good , it is in the right direction ...

It adds some aggro flavour in the deck , but i get some uncanny hunch that something is missing ...

Like , you know , normal build psy-frame have little to no aggro most of the time , but they have some good recovery plays when taking disadvantage ...

I wonder if using beatrice or brilliant fusion engine to dump things faster ?
Higuide
2016-04-29T19:42:26Z
adding beatrice kinda requires you to physically have and send a burning abyss monster from your hand in order to summon her using dante.

keep in mind they don't work too well with cards that overstay their welcome, i tried mashing two decks that has nothing in common --never worked on my part [:cry:].

i know using junk cards kinda contradicts what i said (in truth they're hardly seen on the same turn), but its one of the only archtypes i found that has the most diversity in complementing psyframes ahead of t.g and synchron (by that much) as as a counter balance.

psy-frame not really a deck you could mash together with a deck that has a good search/draw/summon engine.

kinda like Sylvans they have great plant supports but only efficient with a few cards, i am no stranger to that kind of deck. had my share of troubles making them work but in the end they were powerful enough to trash dragorulers before the banlist.

rokuhyouka
2016-04-29T20:02:34Z
i need to research this for a while ...

if i stay at normal variant , i need to figure out what card that can use the usual dead-weight psy-frame card and do not stay in the field and or can get rid of itself (the present best would be fluffal draw engine , but needed fusion conscription and some tweaks , second best would be cardcar d)

if i choose to move to aggro variant , i need to figure out what card that can be used to gain pressure and establish board easily and as easily to get rid themselves (the present best would be apex pendulum magician , but needed a way to search apex , the second best would be junk-stardust-synchron)
Higuide
2016-05-01T00:18:30Z
i am pretty interested in brilliant fusion engine, wish i seen it in action to get an idea to see how it works in the deck.
rokuhyouka
2016-05-01T04:12:04Z
Brilliant Fusion engine are good with 45+ card because you will still need their little engine , and 3 pieces of briliant fusion , this idea was abandoned because the ban and limitation to both respectively chicken game and upstart goblin hurts this idea a lot

the engine contains 3 brilliant fusion , at least 1 gem-knight lazuli , at least 1 gem-knight seraphinite
psychic tools contains 3(2 with the current banlist) e-tele , 2 telekinetic power well , 2 psychic path
generic tools contains 1 foolish burial , 1 141 , 1 soul charge , and anything that could use advantage of light in grave of banished zone

I haven't figured it out yet but , i can still grasp some good combo with psychic tools :

1.Activate Brilliant fusion to dump gem-knight lazuli and psy-frame driver to fusion summon seraphinite > activate lazuli effect get the driver back to hand , this way we get rid some possibilities of drawing driver
2.If there is e-tele in hand/telekinetic power well + lvl 2 psy-frame gear use it to special summon lvl 2 , then synchro summon for either afd or zeta
3.If afd successfully synchro summoned use it's effect to special summon 1 lvl 1~4 monster of your choice , lvl 1 psy-frame driver if there is one , then pop some field spell card to get psy-frame circuit in hand
4.If there is lvl 1 psy-frame gear use it to synchro summon crystal wing/omega , depending on the situation

+ can thin and gain both field presence and hand advantage , or simply easy access to synchro summon lvl 7~8
+ speed up some aggro build or get rid of unnecessary possibilities of bad draw in normal build
- need at least 2 afd and at least 1 seraphinite , and some psychic tools thus making the deck space thight
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