Lukami
2016-07-26T15:22:08Z
Hello, everybody
I want to register somewhere my revolt about Blue-eyes Chaos Max Dragon.
Double pircing damage? A card with 4000 attack points? And cannot be destroyed by card effects?
Is just me who realised how unfair that card is?
I mean, what is Chaos Emperor Dragon close to this card?
I think should be at least limited (to not say banned).
If you disagree with me, explain your reasons.
But nothing will convence me that is a fair card, one card that can win in one turn - if it attacks a creature with 0 defense points...
hexanort
2016-07-26T20:18:34Z
in today's game, chaos maxx is an okay card at best, its a ritual that only work in dedicated deck, compared to dark destroyer which is similiar but is WAY more accessible in its dedicated deck, the game has progressed so much that anti-targeting/destruction protection arent exactly a gamebreaking thing, plus this is a battle-oriented card, which has little relevance in the game, most blue-eyes deck dont even want to run this since it ruins their consistency

Pre-Errata chaos emperor dragon is actually way more broken cards (one of the most, if not the most broken card ever) as it's easy to search and summon, heavily cripple both player (and its most likely paired with floating card so you can still play) and burn opponent for quite a bit, post-errata version is garbage though
2016-07-27T02:36:17Z
If you hate blue-eyes just run destruction sword, blue eyes will never win against you ever again.
Vesperas
2016-07-28T10:08:05Z
Stormforth (only at 1 now, easier to include into deck and less bricks, harder to draw into)
Rippling, Quaking, Storming Mirror Forces
Dimension wall
Moon Mirror Shield
Dark Core
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FTON
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2016-08-21T18:37:13Z
As much as i agree with the OP, not every deck can deal with Chaos MAX. And like what others stated, such card can be also stopped using Rippling and Quacking mirror forces, curse of Annubis, D.D warrior lady, swords of concealing and S39.
Ultimate_Nova_X
2016-09-17T11:35:56Z
It's my new favourite card. I run it with Releaser.
Vesperas
2016-09-19T12:30:23Z
Originally Posted by: Ultimate_Nova_X 

It's my new favourite card. I run it with Releaser.



I would rather use it with Disserere and be allowed into the TCG where Quaking, Storming and Drowning don't affect me.

But then again, you would still need a level 7 and a way of dumping Djinn into the graveyard.

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Ultimate_Nova_X
2016-09-19T13:30:51Z
I use it with both.
Vesperas
2016-09-20T13:15:02Z
Originally Posted by: Ultimate_Nova_X 

I use it with both.



and what banlist are you using?
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2016-10-07T06:48:05Z
Originally Posted by: Vesperas 

Stormforth (only at 1 now, easier to include into deck and less bricks, harder to draw into)
Rippling, Quaking, Storming Mirror Forces
Dimension wall
Moon Mirror Shield
Dark Core



I can't believe I'm living in a world where someone is suggesting Dimension Wall, Moon Mirror Shield and Dark Core as playable cards in any regard, let alone about Blue-Eyes Chaos MAX. I mean it's a Ritual and it's still limited by general ritual problems of needing two specific cards in hand and a tribute to actually summon. Granted, Chaos Form being able to banish from Graveyard is pretty relevant, as well as the fact Chaos itself is searchable by Melody and a bunch of other things.

If you actually want to get over Chaos Max, you run S39. If your deck can't make it there's a bunch of other specific outs for it. Alternatively you can just Solemn the summon itself. Setting monsters against Blue-Eyes is bad because Chaos MAX exists, I'm sorry but if you set something with 0 DEF and get lolsmashd by Chaos MAX knowing full well it's a card, you honestly deserve it. I've never been overly impressed with Chaos MAX, it always felt like a very gimmicky card with text that basically equates to, "if you're already winning, win harder."
hexanort
2016-10-07T11:28:05Z
Originally Posted by: WhiteDragonMaiden 



If you actually want to get over Chaos Max, you run S39. If your deck can't make it there's a bunch of other specific outs for it. Alternatively you can just Solemn the summon itself. Setting monsters against Blue-Eyes is bad because Chaos MAX exists, I'm sorry but if you set something with 0 DEF and get lolsmashd by Chaos MAX knowing full well it's a card, you honestly deserve it. I've never been overly impressed with Chaos MAX, it always felt like a very gimmicky card with text that basically equates to, "if you're already winning, win harder."




sorry for being nitpicky, but you cant Solemn, or more specifically, Negate any summon that occur from a card effect (Coventional Ritual/Fusion summon, COTH effect etc) since the summon occur at resolution, you can negate the activation of the effect that would summon like the ritual spell/poly/coth but not the summon itself, so Strike and other similiar summon negation card would never work against this kind of summon
Vesperas
2016-10-11T22:33:17Z
Originally Posted by: WhiteDragonMaiden 

Originally Posted by: Vesperas 

Stormforth (only at 1 now, easier to include into deck and less bricks, harder to draw into)
Rippling, Quaking, Storming Mirror Forces
Dimension wall
Moon Mirror Shield
Dark Core



I can't believe I'm living in a world where someone is suggesting Dimension Wall, Moon Mirror Shield and Dark Core as playable cards in any regard, let alone about Blue-Eyes Chaos MAX. I mean it's a Ritual and it's still limited by general ritual problems of needing two specific cards in hand and a tribute to actually summon. Granted, Chaos Form being able to banish from Graveyard is pretty relevant, as well as the fact Chaos itself is searchable by Melody and a bunch of other things.

If you actually want to get over Chaos Max, you run S39. If your deck can't make it there's a bunch of other specific outs for it. Alternatively you can just Solemn the summon itself. Setting monsters against Blue-Eyes is bad because Chaos MAX exists, I'm sorry but if you set something with 0 DEF and get lolsmashd by Chaos MAX knowing full well it's a card, you honestly deserve it. I've never been overly impressed with Chaos MAX, it always felt like a very gimmicky card with text that basically equates to, "if you're already winning, win harder."



OP asked for ways to get around Chaos Max. I tried to give suggestions that nobody else answered.

Moon mirror is actually in recent vids, look at Slaydras vid fighting Anti-Meta, he uses Moon Mirror on Fossil Dyna, where it's the same principle.

Dark Core Now that a lot of decks use the graveyard (I started using this with Infernoids) you can side this into BA/PK Fire, ABC-OCG Fusion Face Buster and even Synchro Zombies.

Dimension Wall was one of the best anti-Qli-Towers out there since it didn't target and deflects high-K damage.

Can't believe I'm in a world where you just said Chaos Max is limited in any regard. Manju and Melody can get you your reqs. so that's lets see... 3x Chaos Form... 3x Manju... Advanced Ritual Art... Oh wait, I just noticed you said them! You're basically arguing with yourself, which is fine as contradicting yourself shows you at least have some capacity to create an internal mental debate.

Look at my sig. I defeated AsiAquaToads, Masked Heros, saved myself from Warning/Tempest/Tornado/MagiNavi->CircleofBani)/Strike/Scolding/Traptrix/Holes/Mirrors... ... ... all because nobody expected a Denko, like it never exists. And I bet it would also destroy others in a Blue-Eyes deck as they don't need to set (much -> QP Spells, maybe?).

I've also seen Hippo Carnival Chaos-Max OTKs with Creature Swap. All of these cards are unknown, unpredictable and most of all, VIABLE. I can actually see the good in cards... Can you?

EDIT: And looks like the only constructive advice you tried to give was blown away. Experience -> Hypothesis. [:w00t:]
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9Lazy_dayzie
2016-10-12T21:22:16Z
Needing 2 specific cards in hand to ritual summon Chaos MAX is nothing in a deck like Blue-Eyes that has a powerful draw and search engine.

Mentioning S39 as a counter is obvious, but not all decks have Rank 4 access.

And usually the Blue-Eyes duelist will have other monsters aside Chaos MAX. So S39 ran over Chaos MAX? Congratulations! Now a spent S39 gets to deal with 38 + Infinity.

Moon Mirror Shield is good but the Blue-Eyes draw power usually means Twin Twisters will destroy it.

Same with Dimension Wall. It does steal games at times, though.

Dark Core targets, so unless the Blue-Eyes player uses it on their own Chaos MAX...

I'll just say "Here, have a turtle!"
Vesperas
2016-10-12T23:01:21Z
Originally Posted by: 9Lazy_dayzie 


...

Dark Core targets...



Well thank you for telling me, the text on the YGOPRO needs to be updated then

(Replacing all Dark Cores with Sandstorms, Storms and Drowning...)
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